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The main parties avoid going beyond the discussion point as it's turkey's voting for Christmas and not in their career interests. Smaller parties are in favour of it as it increases their chances to govern in some manner. If Farage thought for one moment Reform had a chance of governing as a majority, he'd be dead against PR. With very few exceptions, modern-day politicians are self-serving career-driven cunts - because the system as it stands drives that behaviour.

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Absolutely, we've been calling for PR for years now and it's incredible that it still doesn't get the attention it deserves outside of fking Farage. Labour members lobbied for it but Starmer ignored them unfortunately. Having said that, I'm not sure it would protect us from a Reform/Tory coalition anyway, but it's still the right direction to move in. Labour's broad church argument only works for as long as left leaning people put up with them moving right, and you'd have to imagine that this can't hold up.

Yeah that would have fooled us all

It's alright, we've got Andrews knee-jerk match thread from the board collapsing. What could possible go wrong...

Fuck me. Reform can't even spell Frankenstein correctly.

This fucking scruff.

The crux of your post is demonstrative of why the political system in it's current state is fucked and needs reform (NO, not that Reform!). As you rightly point out, to win power you need to be centrist and then the expectation on both sides is for the respective parties to lean towards their respective traditions and be considered weak and gutless if they appear to not do so in an undefined timescale. This country desperately needs PR and likely governments built on coalition instead of traditional one-party views. And not like the 'coalition of chaos' that was 2010-15 - it needs true equal-standing coalition where the best interests of the electorate take precedence, not a focus on career politics.

Will no one think of the two Wearside lads who live in (and around) Bilbao?

I was about to post the same. Seething.

Would appear so.

If this turns out to be our equivalent of “don’t take muh guns, this is murica” I’ll be fucking fuming tbh.

Agreed. And on that note... Badenoch refuses to criticise Jenrick over Reform coalition suggestion. That'll do it, I would think. Reform gets legitimacy, Tories get vote share.

It increasingly looks like I was wrong about Starmer. I hope he would do what the Tories are very good at: win power at the centre then move to the right (or left in steamer’s case) once in power. How wrong I was. There is still time left for him to do this but the early evidence isn’t positive. He has been gutless on Brexit and appears so scared of breaking his fragile coalition that he would prefer to mirror the neoliberal/austerity policies of Cameron and Osborne than bring about any meaningful change. This won’t win him any votes in the red wall and nor will his flip flopping over culture war issues. His supporters will say he’s managed to stop Reform using it as a wedge issue as there’s now so little between them on this particular matter but all he’s achieving is alienating a lot of socially progressive Labour voters.

my mate just told me the last time we won at brighton was that freak goal that came off diame's heel - is that right? and was that when we were in the championship? need to sort out our away record down there, starting in a couple of week's time

Looks like the lass who was insisting she'd been to Ibiza with Tonali.

Looks like Mrs wykiki has been at it again... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14639537/Police-hunt-Newcastle-United-ear-bitten-headbutted.html

I fucking wish. Anyways, I thought you had a 32 inch waist? I guess we've both been let down.

I thought you were a quantitative surveyor / married into land owner.

As a right of centre leaning, Brexit voting alleged gammon, I couldn’t care about any of this. Live and let live. And if going through it made a child of mine happier, 100% support. I am however very jealous of the bionic bollock.

Probably the first time in your life where Wykiki has posted without using the word 'cunt'.

Na, they’re here look. Someone brought Maddie McCann as a gift for Adam Johnson.